Dr. Epsen Wold-Jensen with Dr. Marc Gafni: The Death of Humanity Has Already Begun (But No One Notices)
Dr. Marc Gafni joins the Dr. Espen podcast to discuss CosmoErotic Humanism, Wholemate Relationships, and what it means to live as your Unique Self.
From Dr. Espen Podcast:
“Reality intended you. Reality chose you. Reality recognizes you. Reality needs you.” -Dr. Marc Gafni I
In this episode, Dr Espen sits down with Dr. Marc Gafni for a deep conversation about love, purpose, and what it means to live as your Unique Self. Together they explore the concept of Eros, the stories humanity tells itself, and why creating a shared field of values is essential in today’s world. Drawing from philosophy, spirituality, and Kabbalah, they also discuss relationships, personal awakening, and how each of us can contribute something meaningful to the world.
Episode Highlights:
00:00:00 – Episode Trailer
00:01:45 – The Value of Authentic Living and Connection
00:14:34 – Preserving Humanity’s Essence through Shared Values
00:21:10 – Cosmoerotic Humanism: Embracing the Living Universe
00:24:10 – Radical Aliveness: Love’s Role in Kabbalah
00:29:34 – Wholemate Relationships: Devotion to Shared Vision
00:34:37 – Evolving Value Perspectives in Modernity and Beyond
00:38:52 – Intrinsic Love Embedded in Personal Significance
00:44:21 – Intimate Connection with the Infinite God
00:49:30 – Irreducibly Unique Aspect of Reality
01:07:04 – The Universal Narrative: A Love Story
01:10:26 – Shared Devotion for Wholeness beyond Self
01:14:17 – The Evolution of Divinity Through Imperfection
01:29:20 – Unlocking Potential through Lineage Wisdom Integration
01:32:26 – Dr. Marc’s Message To The World
Whole Mate: The Future of Relationships
by Dr. Marc Gafni and Barbara Marx Hubbard
A revolution in relationships is taking place across the western world. It is happening in different ways for all people in all classes of society, and it is breathing life into a new vision of relationship and self. The product of this revolution—a third, higher level of connection called the ‘whole mate relationship’—promises to have a far more powerful effect on the quality, joy, and potency of our lives than any other single shift in culture since the sexual revolution of the 1960s.
In Whole Mate: The Future of Relationships (the first of two volumes on the evolution of relationship), Marc Gafni and Barbara Marx Hubbard define and explore three primary levels of relationship (role mate, soul mate, whole mate) and describe for the first time how the evolution of relationship will change the world as we know it.
Each of us wants to live well and love fully. We want not just to survive or thrive, but to experience real purpose and meaning. We want a new vision of success, of what it means to be a real man and a true woman. We will find these things on the other side of the revolution.


Ken Wilber
Dr. Marc Gafni is a leading public intellectual and teacher impacting the source code of global culture.
Barbara Marx Hubbard (born Barbara Marx; December 22, 1929–April 10, 2019) was an American futurist, author, and public speaker. She is credited with the Wheel of Co-Creation and together with Dr. Gafni, the Wheel of Co-Creation 2.0, as well as the concepts of the Synergy Engine and the “birthing” of humanity.


We live in extraordinary times. In the history of all humanity, there have only been five or six major world transformations: somewhere around 500,000 years ago, humans began to emerge as a distinct species, with an archaic worldview which separated us from the great apes. Around 50,000 years ago, the archaic worldview gave way to a magical worldview, anchored in foraging, hunting, and gathering. Then, around 10,000 years ago, farming was discovered. Simple farming, with a hand-held hoe, called horticulture. Concurrently, the worldview of simple magic gave way mythic-magic–more complex, and more sophisticated.
